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tempertemper77, my head still feels like it's about to explode, and it's already the morning after The Pain in the Heart. So whatever I write here is subject to change. Forgive me if I waffle or babble.
Zack.
What the fuck?
That hurt.
It's going to take me time to digest this episode. I don't even know if I can be coherent right now. Is Zack a widow's son? Though I could certainly be wrong, I thought both his parents were alive.
So that was Zack in the closet at the end of The Knight on the Grid? He's the one who killed the lobbyist?
Without hearing what The Master said to persuade Zack to be involved in something so heinous, I don't know that I can even buy that he was The Apprentice -- as the season's been written. Is this related to his time in Iraq? PTSD? It's a daring choice to have Zack be The Apprentice; I just wish we'd had more build-up over the course of this season. If they were going to go down this road, it would have made sense if they'd showed SOMETHING about how he descended to this place, instead of leaving it so completely up to the viewers' imagination to fill in.
Tamara Taylor really impressed me this episode; the woman was on point. Her expression when she was reading to Zack in the hospital and was interrupted by Booth and Brennan, broke me. And what were they trying to say with her line at the end about knowing from the day she met Zack that he would hurt her/cause her pain/break her heart or whatever the exact words were? Was that a little Cam/Zack shippiness? If not, what the hell was it?
TJ delivered. Hodgins knew before anyone else did. He went to Cam with his findings on lead pipes, and obviously he was aware that Zack lived above his garage. He pressed Zack's drug drip button just as Zack was about to confess.
Will they delve back into the Gormogon arc next season? If they don't, I'm not sure they've done this storyline justice. They crammed a hell of a lot into this one episode. I've thought it before, and I'm thinking it now: the writers' strike derailed this season. As it stands, this episode has left a Deus ex machina taste in my mouth.
The initial hospital scenes with the entire team were great, as were all the Brennan/Zack moments. They've always had a rather sweet relationship. Kind of big sister/little brother. Possibly even mother/son. At the very least, something a bit more personal than mentor/mentee. If next season the writers don't show Brennan struggling to come to grips with Zack's involvement in all this, I will be very sad.
I don't always agree with Brennan's "Shoot first and ask questions later" approach, but Booth totally had it coming when she punched him. Beyond that, I'm not sure how I feel about the B/B interaction. I have to think about it a bit more.
OK, so I love Booth and Brennan. But did we have to have that scene with him in the tub wearing a beer dispensing hat?! Where was the real Booth, and who was that impostor? Is DB still playing Seeley Booth, or is he now playing himself?
I'm pissed that we didn't catch even a glimpse of the time during which Brennan and the rest of the team waited to hear about Booth's condition -- or even how they all reacted to the news of his death. Where's the payoff from Wannabe? The way the aftermath of his shooting played out felt like cheap emotional manipulation. Oh, so Booth played dead to catch this national security risk, and we don't even get to find out what this man did? Give me a fucking break.
The B/B moment at the end seemed genuine, subtle, and real. I didn't need it to be over-the-top shippy, and I'm glad they didn't write it that way. I liked it, and I thought DB and ED sold it.
I HATE Sweets. I'd been hoping that he'd be Gormogon's last victim, but alas, my dream did not come true. Anyone who knows I watch Bones, knows I ship Booth/Brennan. But Sweets is a transparent, shippy, unethical, and totally unnecessary gimmick. If they genuinely need a profiler, there must be someone with a BIT more gravitas and believability -- or at least professional ethics.
Whatever music they used during the FBI vs. Gormogon scene was gorgeous. I want it so I can listen to it over and over again.
*I have edited this post multiple times.
Zack.
What the fuck?
That hurt.
It's going to take me time to digest this episode. I don't even know if I can be coherent right now. Is Zack a widow's son? Though I could certainly be wrong, I thought both his parents were alive.
So that was Zack in the closet at the end of The Knight on the Grid? He's the one who killed the lobbyist?
Without hearing what The Master said to persuade Zack to be involved in something so heinous, I don't know that I can even buy that he was The Apprentice -- as the season's been written. Is this related to his time in Iraq? PTSD? It's a daring choice to have Zack be The Apprentice; I just wish we'd had more build-up over the course of this season. If they were going to go down this road, it would have made sense if they'd showed SOMETHING about how he descended to this place, instead of leaving it so completely up to the viewers' imagination to fill in.
Tamara Taylor really impressed me this episode; the woman was on point. Her expression when she was reading to Zack in the hospital and was interrupted by Booth and Brennan, broke me. And what were they trying to say with her line at the end about knowing from the day she met Zack that he would hurt her/cause her pain/break her heart or whatever the exact words were? Was that a little Cam/Zack shippiness? If not, what the hell was it?
TJ delivered. Hodgins knew before anyone else did. He went to Cam with his findings on lead pipes, and obviously he was aware that Zack lived above his garage. He pressed Zack's drug drip button just as Zack was about to confess.
Will they delve back into the Gormogon arc next season? If they don't, I'm not sure they've done this storyline justice. They crammed a hell of a lot into this one episode. I've thought it before, and I'm thinking it now: the writers' strike derailed this season. As it stands, this episode has left a Deus ex machina taste in my mouth.
The initial hospital scenes with the entire team were great, as were all the Brennan/Zack moments. They've always had a rather sweet relationship. Kind of big sister/little brother. Possibly even mother/son. At the very least, something a bit more personal than mentor/mentee. If next season the writers don't show Brennan struggling to come to grips with Zack's involvement in all this, I will be very sad.
I don't always agree with Brennan's "Shoot first and ask questions later" approach, but Booth totally had it coming when she punched him. Beyond that, I'm not sure how I feel about the B/B interaction. I have to think about it a bit more.
OK, so I love Booth and Brennan. But did we have to have that scene with him in the tub wearing a beer dispensing hat?! Where was the real Booth, and who was that impostor? Is DB still playing Seeley Booth, or is he now playing himself?
I'm pissed that we didn't catch even a glimpse of the time during which Brennan and the rest of the team waited to hear about Booth's condition -- or even how they all reacted to the news of his death. Where's the payoff from Wannabe? The way the aftermath of his shooting played out felt like cheap emotional manipulation. Oh, so Booth played dead to catch this national security risk, and we don't even get to find out what this man did? Give me a fucking break.
The B/B moment at the end seemed genuine, subtle, and real. I didn't need it to be over-the-top shippy, and I'm glad they didn't write it that way. I liked it, and I thought DB and ED sold it.
I HATE Sweets. I'd been hoping that he'd be Gormogon's last victim, but alas, my dream did not come true. Anyone who knows I watch Bones, knows I ship Booth/Brennan. But Sweets is a transparent, shippy, unethical, and totally unnecessary gimmick. If they genuinely need a profiler, there must be someone with a BIT more gravitas and believability -- or at least professional ethics.
Whatever music they used during the FBI vs. Gormogon scene was gorgeous. I want it so I can listen to it over and over again.
*I have edited this post multiple times.
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Date: 2008-05-20 01:25 am (UTC)Cam was amazing this episode. She showed the compassion between her and Zach. The last couple minutes with her crying were amazing.
I was not pleased about the Booth and Brennan front. It seemed like they cut a lot of stuff out.
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Date: 2008-05-20 01:31 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2008-05-20 01:27 am (UTC)Best scene in what was a horrifically written episode. And I mean horrifically.
BTW, your initial comment is the same as my initial comment in my post about this episode.
Seems to be an echo in here.
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Date: 2008-05-20 01:53 pm (UTC)BTW, your initial comment is the same as my initial comment in my post about this episode.
Seems to be an echo in here.
*g* I'm shocked to hear that.
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Date: 2008-05-20 01:29 am (UTC)It's going to take me awhile to digest and post about this episode. My initial reaction is loved it with an asterisk.
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Date: 2008-05-20 01:33 am (UTC)You know, I would, but it was so badly written that I just can't give them a pass on this... It's not the storyline that bothers me so much as the execution.
That script was awful.
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Date: 2008-05-20 01:39 am (UTC)Having said all that, the cast was still great. I was terribly happy to see Bones knock out Booth (I would have loved to have a shot at the writers myself) but Tamara was the real standout that episode, she was fantastic.
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Date: 2008-05-20 01:43 am (UTC)Really?
That explains a lot... Doesn't justify it, but it certainly explains it.
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Date: 2008-05-20 01:51 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2008-05-20 01:53 am (UTC)That? Would really, really piss me off. if you are going to make Zach the killer, own it.
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Date: 2008-05-20 01:56 am (UTC)(translation: still speechless.)
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Date: 2008-05-20 01:53 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2008-05-20 01:59 am (UTC)I hate Sweets. I wanted Brennan to punch him the whole entire episode, even before Booth justified it. I don't need him to analyze every little thing, my brain can do that just fine, thank you.
Yes, Tamara Taylor was amazing, and that scene got to me more than anything else, even more than Brennan with Zack during his confession. Everyone brought their A game: Cam, Hodgins, Angela, Bren, and of course Zack. I based my entire belief that Hodgins could not be the apprentice on that one look he gave Zack at the hospital when Angela told him they loved him.
Bones can do so much better than this, though.
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Date: 2008-05-20 01:05 pm (UTC)Totally! That is the exact same thing I first thought when Sweets said Hodgins. And later, in the scene where he spooked Cam (loved the creepy Hodgins red herrings btw) once they were talking, he had this barely restrained panic and worry thing in his eyes, that people could consider him a suspect. Totally fab acting.
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Date: 2008-05-20 01:59 am (UTC)I agree totally about Tamara - she really earned my respect in this. She was supposed to be a temporary character and instead has made this role her own.
I hate Sweets. His character has gone from mildly annoying/amusing to totally grating on my last nerve.
I'm not ready to talk about Zack and/or losing Eric. I need to digest (grieve).
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Date: 2008-05-20 02:09 am (UTC)And I hate that it was rushed, but I think Hart really explained that well in a recent interview and it's not their fault because of the strike and all they had to condense it. And while I would have been fine with them drawing it out to next season, I can see how it would get old.
Tamara Taylor was pure GOLD in this episode. When she started tearing up at the end I wanted to cry. And I'm pretty sure I did. Everyone's acting (including David, I'll give it to him) was pretty spot on tonight. Even in that messed up beginning thing that made no sense whatsoever to me. Waste of time, IMHO.
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Date: 2008-05-20 04:09 am (UTC)The whole point of these master-apprentice relationships is that the apprentice eventually takes over for the master, so if Gormagon is really supposed to be a widow's son, then it makes sense that his apprentice would be, as well.
And I hate that it was rushed, but I think Hart really explained that well in a recent interview and it's not their fault because of the strike and all they had to condense it.
I'm not willing to give Hart or any of the producers a pass with this explanation. It is ENTIRELY their fault that this storyline was rushed, because everyone and their dog knew that the WGA's contract with the producers was going to expire this fall and that there was going to be a work stoppage. Nobody forced them to start this kind of storyline this season.
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Date: 2008-05-20 02:14 am (UTC)I was hoping it was Sweets. I really didn't want it to be Zack. Especially after last week's singing.
There was just too much out of character this week.
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Date: 2008-05-20 02:28 am (UTC)Amen sista. He so had it coming. After all the rules and laws (New Orleans anyone?) he's broken for her and he can't do that one tiny thing? I wanted to punch him.
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Date: 2008-05-20 02:48 am (UTC)This ep was all over the place - from the straight from fanfic funeral (2 weeks after the shooting? And where was Parker, anyway), the bathroom scene (which, while fun, went on too long and would have made more sense if it had taken place at the diner or even the lab) to the grad students being way too pleased with themselves.
Sweets was more annoying than usual - and he wasn't a victim, damn it! Someone kill him please. and I feel cheated that we didn't get to see him in cuffs.
Everyone really stepped up - I even felt sorry for Cam for a change. Hodgins and the painkillers scene - a red herring but it still creeped me out a bit.
Angela talking to Brennan at the beginning had me near tears.
Caroline - seemed a little bit of her went a long way tonight. Which is a pity.
B&B seemed a bit off - no fall out from him actually being shot. She rationalized Sweets way to fast, I thought. And her scene with Zack - the whole touching foreheads thing seemed OOC but her heartbreak at having not ever given him anything was well done.
Booth - him trying to get her to hit Sweets was funny. But DB seemed to step back tonight.
Not the best season ender but it really left far too many questions.
I can't really blame this on the strike - 1 show was from season 2, a couple show were already done before the strike even started. They could have dropped something else and made this a 2-parter so they could have properly explained everything.
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Date: 2008-05-20 02:52 am (UTC)Damn it being my turn to go get pizza and me running late. I came in and Booth was in his uniform with all the buttons undone and it took a minute to decide if he was alive, dead, or having an out of body experience or just existing in Brennan's head.
I'm in such total and complete shock over it being Zach. I cannot even force my brain to comprehend it. I've been thinking for weeks that it was Sweets. I just knew it. I could have almost bought it being Hodgins before Zach. Our Zach. THIS DOES NOT MAKE SENSE. FRIGGIN WRITERS STRIKE. *FLAILS*
/capslock abuse. I'm with you. We need follow up on this next season. Like we need it something fierce.
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Date: 2008-05-20 01:59 pm (UTC)You can watch the episode online here (http://www.hulu.com/watch/20519/bones-the-pain-in-the-heart).
*joins you in flailing and being shocked*
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Date: 2008-05-20 03:37 am (UTC)What the F!
Date: 2008-05-20 05:35 am (UTC)1) Zack is not a Widow's son. In season one, "the man in the fallout shelter," they show his HUGE family and if I am correct you see his father and mother standing in the front of the group. Of course, it could be argued that it was never said that his father was actually alive.
2) I am no expert, but I have looked and re-looked and paused and studied the end of "the knight..." (as I'm sure many are doing at this point) and it doesn't look like Zach. The guy looks much younger, early to mid 20's. I don't know how old Zach is, but I picture him in his late 20s, early 30s. Look at it, decide for yourselves.
3) I NEVER thought Zach was of a weak mind. He was odd, yes, but I thought his view on life was strong. Specifically because of his love of logic. Debate me if you wish, it is simply my opinion.
4) Will they please have sex already!!! She's seen him naked now, it's the logical next step. On another note, WTF?!?! I don't care how riled up he gets, Booth would NEVER stand up *naked* in front of Bones. He isn't even comfortable saying the word "sex" in front of her, let alone exposing himself. I did, however, laugh at the fact that she didn't look down but instead offered to get him a towel.
5) I appreciate the plight of the writers and they're need for compensation. I do. I swear. But they totally f-ed us over! Too many things happening in one episode.
6) I was actually praying/hoping that Gormogon was Sweets, or Sweets was Gormogon...however you want to say it. That way it would have been someone we weren't invested in, someone who hasn't been here that long, and someone who is annoying.
I have more, but I will stop. Sorry for taking up so much of your space. I couldn't stay quiet for this.
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Date: 2008-05-20 10:37 am (UTC)And the beginning just sucked. We've already started writing a one/two-shot to fill in the missing time between Wannabe and Pain, and wanted to keep it firmly grounded in canon, but how can we now? Nothing about Booth being 'dead' makes any sense. Who the hell was that guy at the funeral? And no way can you come back from an injury like that to that extent in two weeks. And now that I think about it, in the bathtub, did we even see a scar on that perfect chest? Don't remember one and it should have been very visible as a still healing wound. And the B&B discussions about how she wasn't told that he was alive? Cold and not emotional at all; where was their connection? Yes, she can compartmentalize, but not that much, not if he really means something to her. Very disappointing and unrealistic. We pretty much decided last night to write it like it should have been rather than how it was which doesn't say much for the real writers and what they produced.
I'm bummed and I feel like the writers let us down. And that BB moment at the end, while nice and all, is just not going to hold me for 14 weeks. A Judas on a Pole moment was what we needed and didn't get...
Bitch, bitch, bitch...
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Date: 2008-05-20 01:12 pm (UTC)He had like a dressing taped there - but still, two weeks to recover from what... likely collapsed lung, shattered ribs, nicked arteries, invasive surgery... and go rolling around on the floor at his own funeral?? No (even if he did look mega!hot in that uniform ;).
And the B&B discussions about how she wasn't told that he was alive? Cold and not emotional at all; where was their connection? Yes, she can compartmentalize, but not that much, not if he really means something to her. Very disappointing and unrealistic.
Nods. Disappointment is definitely my word for the lack of BB stuff.
A Judas on a Pole moment was what we needed and didn't get...
Yes!
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Date: 2008-05-20 12:46 pm (UTC)And I respectfully disagree about the Booth bathroom scene. I love that he takes baths while listening to vinyl, drinking beer, and reading comics. Booth to me is someone who has learned to leave his job at the door a bit, because he certainly has his dark moments. It only endears Booth to me. (I am secretly hoping his national security death is a seed being planted for an episode next season. I want to dive into Booth's past, and now that Brennan's is solved, not better time.!)
I don't need the post-shooting stuff, but I do find it incredulous it had been TWO WEEKS. WTF? Did he hang on, then die? I hate tv time. The only show that has figured out tv time is LOST, and that's only because it is all about time.
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Date: 2008-05-20 01:05 pm (UTC)Continuity and logic: who needs them, anyway? *g* (And just so we're clear, I'm not talking about you.)
Without any post-shooting stuff, the shooting felt like -- forgive me -- a cheap shot.
I like JFD, but Sweets gets on my nerves. All too often, they have him acting like a 12-year-old girl instead of a professional.
I love that he takes baths while listening to vinyl, drinking beer, and reading comics.
I'm not objecting to any of those things; it's just my opinion, but I simply cannot see him drinking beer with that contraption on his head. And it bugs me that a character who supposedly can't say "anus" or "sexual intercourse" or discuss breastfeeding stood, naked, in front of his female partner and appeared to be totally blase about it. Of course, I never bought that Booth was that silly about the aforementioned words. But now it just feels to me like they're trying to have it both ways with this particular aspect of his character.
I am secretly hoping his national security death is a seed being planted for an episode next season.
I hope you're right, but I fear you're giving the writers too much credit.
I want to dive into Booth's past, and now that Brennan's is solved, not better time.!
I agree wholeheartedly.
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Date: 2008-05-20 01:31 pm (UTC)What the fuck?
That hurt.
I know. Like you I could kind of buy it if we got an explanation - although dh and I watched an old ep last night (he's becoming some kind of convert) and he was laughing at Zack and when I said rumour is Gormagon is someone we already know, he said Zack *shrugs* What does he know ;)
Tamara Taylor really impressed me this episode; the woman was on point.
Absolutely. She and TJ shone for me. I loved their slightly creepy Hodgins scene too. And when H was in the hosp with Zack and the pain meds - he totally knew. Awesome stuff.
Will they delve back into the Gormogon arc next season? If they don't, I'm not sure they've done this storyline justice.
Again agreed. I hope, as someone else said below, that we'll get to hear the motives later - since they had no time to do it the traditional way around LOL. Hey, Brennan can't visit Max in jail she may as well visit Zack. I'd like to see her trying to understand.
I don't always agree with Brennan's "Shoot first and ask questions later" approach, but Booth totally had it coming when she punched him. Beyond that, I'm not sure how I feel about the B/B interaction. I have to think about it a bit more.
I loved the punch. The rest... still reeling. But I am left feeling disappointed. I liked the last scene, but felt like I needed more - not much more! Just a little.
OK, so I love Booth and Brennan. But did we have to have that scene with him in the tub wearing a beer dispensing hat?! Where was the real Booth, and who was that impostor? Is DB still playing Seeley Booth, or is he now playing himself?
It did smack of DB to me - right down to the Green Lantern reference (perlease!) I am trying very hard to see it as him needing to unwind... I have already started re-writing that scene for my own piece of mind. I felt like it was a chance for a real emotional connection btwn them, and it was missed.
I'm pissed that we didn't catch even a glimpse of the time during which Brennan and the rest of the team waited to hear about Booth's condition -- or even how they all reacted to the news of his death. Where's the payoff from Wannabe? The way the aftermath of his shooting played out felt like cheap emotional manipulation.
This is it isn't it? I spent a week getting all trembly whenever I thought about that last scene - for that?! *head desk*
I HATE Sweets.
Total and utter agreement. You know he has been driving me nuts for weeks, but this was the final straw. How they could possibly (esp Bren) continue to associate with him after this is beyond me. When Cam said he was the apprentice I squeed - and I actually would totally 100 percent buy it if he had been. Much more sense than Zack - the way he pushes at his clients has him down as at least borderline sociopathic IMO!
Whatever music they used during the FBI vs. Gormogon scene was gorgeous.
Music was fab there wasn't it?
*slinks away to lick BB wounds*
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Date: 2008-05-20 04:50 pm (UTC)If you're still reading here's my two pennorth.
Bad mistake to ruin a story of this magnitude with shoddy end-of-seasonitis. They have done the characters a disservice by the pacing of this episode; putting too many bits in caused it to end up as minestrone. It needed a more measured telling than this.
I agree with the cheap shot comment you made. It was manipulative and dismissive of the audience and this is what I hate about American television. The programmers seem to make episodes for their own entertainment and to meet a different agenda from that which should inform their decisions, namely: the audience they serve. We come so far down the pecking order I sometimes wonder if they are even aware of us.
As for the episode itself:
*weak opening paid lip service to a much more serious event than it turned out to be. Might as well have just stuck a bandaid on his nipple.
*why didn't they analyse the packaging of the mandible as well? Sherlock Holmes did.
*Remove Sweets now. If he is supposed to be the voice of the fanbase he is too stupid to be convincing and merely confirms my opinion of tv executives as mindless.
*poorly paced and unnecessary prominence of Bones' reaction to Booth's faked death and her not knowing. Precious minutes were wasted on a not very important issue for the rest of the story, pace nude in bath scene squeeing.
It seemed a hurried piece of writing without enough use of the red pencil to tighten it up. This was a very disappointing rushed solution.
Thank you.
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Date: 2008-05-20 04:56 pm (UTC)And I'm beginning to think that letting David and Emily have so much leeway with these characters is a bad idea. They are being David and Emily, not Booth and Brennan and it's beginning to show. They are better actors than this. That said, I'm thrilled with the ending between them. It was a very redeeming moment to leave us with for the summer.
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Date: 2008-05-20 05:29 pm (UTC)I know you said last night that you weren't ready to comment on Zack. Any thoughts yet? The more I think about it, the worse I feel. That sweet, smart, awkward, adorable young man... *cries* If they were going to do this to him, to the entire team, I'm positive it could have been written better.
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Date: 2008-05-20 07:21 pm (UTC)I'm pissed that we didn't catch even a glimpse of the time during which Brennan and the rest of the team waited to hear about Booth's condition -- or even how they all reacted to the news of his death.
You read my mind. Booth gets shot and the next we see is his fake funeral? I just don't buy it, they SO fooled us. I would pay for a fic in which Brennan is at the hospital trying to look fine and breaks only when Max comes to see her.
Zack... oh my. Why? There's an episode in XF, Closure, in which Mulder finds out about her sister, finally. I use to think that Chris Carter sucked at it because David Duchovny was leaving the show and had to hurry up and make up something. Same here, Hart Hanson wanted to close the Gormogon storyline and hurrying it made it lame.
Brennan hitting Booth. We saw it coming and he so deserved it. Liked it.
Booth bathing scene. I don't know how to pronounce myself about it. Weird.
I suck writing, but I bet I could write a fanfic better than this script.
Sorry for this, but until I watch season 4 premiere I think we just jumped the shark. I'll let you know if I change my mind in the next hours.
I'll always have fiction.
Hugs.
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Date: 2008-05-20 08:17 pm (UTC)I felt a little disappointed by this episode in several instances; the Bones writers usually seem to take into consideration not just the bigger picture, but its parts as well, particularly the nuances of each character... In this episode, they fell short of that.
Maybe it was time constraints due to the writers' strike, but I hope Hart Hanson and co. will review what they've done and take into consideration what we're saying.
Because hey, we totally have a point here. ;)
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Date: 2008-05-20 10:06 pm (UTC)I sincerely hope that the next season begins better than this one ended.
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Date: 2008-05-20 10:20 pm (UTC)Agreed.
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